HR "Manager" or "Coordinator" or "Officer"?

[John_M]

The following comment by Kevin in the thread titled: "Current job market - HR professionals" struck a chord with me:

Originally Posted by kevinh

... they are not always advertised as "HR Generalist", we quite often see HR Manager positions which are basically generalist roles.

In my search for a HR Manager or Senior HR Advisor role, I have been astounded at the number of more junior roles I have had to wade through in responses from Seek, MyCareer, CareerOne, etc.

In discussion with other HR practitioners and Recruitment Agents, all agree there seems to have been an increase in HR roles paying less than (some a lot less than) what we would value for a HR Manager. Today on the boards, there are roles appearing at $60K for HR Managers. I agree with Kevin - from what I have seen, the description of these roles does not support the title. Maybe its a marketing ploy to attract candidates wanting either status &/or to quickly climb the corporate ladder? Am I being sceptical or is it just poor work by Agents in advising their clients?

The most effective way I have found to ensure some sort of alignment between recruiters and my own understanding of the HR "level" involved, is to include salary banding when discussing the scope of HR positions, and use of salary surveys. All agents I have discussed this with have agreed on general banding for the various common HR roles. That way we are on the same page to begin with.

Thoughts anyone?
John

[Tim Silver]

Hi John

Not entirely related too your thread, but I need to start somewhere and your thread is as good a place as any.

I'm a UK based Senior HR Manager seeking any advice or info from HR colleagues currently in NSW or Queensland on the current job market for HR professionals with a view to speanding own under".up to 12 months working "down under".

In the UK most HR positions advertised are genralist by nature, with perhaps Comps. and Bens. having a niche.

Any advice or guidance would be most appreciated.

Tim

[HeidiC]

Tim - I suggest that you look at our most popular job site - www.seek.com or www.careerone.com.au . The market has slowed but there are still gems out there for any specialists in QLD or NSW.

John - my current role is classified as an HR Administrator, yet I earn over $60k, have my own corner office and am the sole HR representative looking after Australia, New Zealand and Malaysia!

While job searching I found that there is a general misunderstanding of the "levels" of HR even at company level. Business' seem to make up the titles as they go along. I have had to read the duties and years of experience required for each role before I understood what level they were looking for. There needs to be a consensus of the generalist levels - Administrator, Coordinator, Advisor, Manager, Partner. And please remember that a consultant is completely different!

I shall now get off my soapbox

[Mark D]

Originally Posted by John_M

the description of these roles does not support the title. Maybe its a marketing ploy to attract candidates wanting either status &/or to quickly climb the corporate ladder?

I suspect it's to make the position more appealing to the ambitious Gen Y kids who expect to become the CEO in a few weeks.