new job boards - any good ?

[Geoff Jennings]

I must not be a "Good Recruiter" then.

[Moz]

Originally Posted by RogerP

In my experience most good recruiters should be able to deduce who the employer is by a number of factors i.e. job title, location, position description, salary and general conditions.

You are kidding aren't you Roger ?

I have to wonder how much you know about the recruitment industry. A "good" recruiter will not put a candidate forward for a job without the candidate's permission.

Do you really think a recruiter would say to a candidate "there's this job on this web site, I think it's with XYZ company, but I'm not sure, can I put you forward?"

ROFL!

Originally Posted by RogerP

Any marketing by the Recruiter directly to the Employer as a result of viewing the job on RR is strictly not permitted.

Thanks, but we can read your T&C's on your site.

If it helps any, I have 17 years exp in the recruitment industry, including senior management roles. Although I'm not working in the industry right now.

[Gail]

Hi,
Hi,

Would be interested to know if you have used any of the goverment sites to post your vacant positions such as:

www.jobsearch.gov.au

From what I understand this website provides free advertising to employers although I am yet to utilise it myself.

Other websites that I have recently come across are

http://www.positionsvacant.com.au/

[RogerP]

Hi Geoff, Moz & Gail,

Sorry I have not replied earlier, but I am not receiving regular prompts from HR Buzz to say that people have made a comment directed to me.

To Geoff,
There was no suggestion that you are not a competent recruiter, please except my apology. We really need to be careful about our choice of words on these blogs!

On your point about the Employers identity, we hope the majority of employers will make themselves known. Recruiter will be able to view the employer names on the Job Detail page for each position advertised.

Moz,
'I have to wonder how much you know about the recruitment industry'. Why so personal! It's very unprofessional to use this kind of language in any forum, especially from an ill informed position. It appears you are drawing your entire conclusions from viewing just the Recruitment Referrals public pages.

Firstly, Recruiters are asked the to verify if they have gained the candidates approval before referring any details, just to protect everyone.

Secondly, on posted jobs the Recruiter can ask any questions they wish to assist in understanding the job requirements. All Q&As are then displayed against the job for all recruiters to view giving everyone precisely this same information. In addition to this our Job Posting tools guides employers to build a complete position description which recruiters will find helpful.

Gail, I am not sure what you mean when you say that RR should consider posting our jobs on other job boards. Can you give me some more details?
By the way Job Postings are free only to the 26th October, so if you are an Employer get in quick.

[Gail]

My posting was not in reference to RR

My posting was with regards to job boards in general of which I thought this post was about, and in particular what readers viewpoints were of the goverment websites such as jobsearch.

From what I understand these are websites wereby companies can post vacanies at no cost to themselves. I am still trying to ascertain who it would attract from a candidate perspective

[Moz]

Originally Posted by RogerP

Hi Geoff, Moz & Gail,
Moz,
'I have to wonder how much you know about the recruitment industry'. Why so personal! It's very unprofessional to use this kind of language in any forum, especially from an ill informed position. It appears you are drawing your entire conclusions from viewing just the Recruitment Referrals public pages.

Sorry Roger, just thinking aloud. My conclusions are based on what appear to be the fundamental concepts of your product.

BTW, I believe this thread is about job boards in general, what's out there and what people find good, bad or indifferent. I don't think it is appropriate for you to continue to use it to promote your own product.

Perhaps you should consider starting your own thread about your specific job board.

[Moz]

Originally Posted by Gail

Hi,

Would be interested to know if you have used any of the goverment sites to post your vacant positions such as:

www.jobsearch.gov.au

From what I understand this website provides free advertising to employers although I am yet to utilise it myself.

Other websites that I have recently come across are

http://www.positionsvacant.com.au/

Gail, rarely does one find anything that is free or even really cheap, that is actually any good. Generally speaking, you get what you pay for.

These Government and also-ran job boards often ‘look’ okay but you don’t realize how bad they are until you start using them to look for specific jobs.

Take jobsearch.gov.au, the first time I visited today after seeing you mention it, I received the following error in my web browser (Microsoft IE7);

“There is a problem with this website's security certificate.”

That’s not a good start!

I did a search for HR jobs (using ‘hr’ in the Occupation field) and almost all the jobs displayed were not HR jobs - the first job on the list was “2nd or 3rd Year Boilermaker Apprentice” ! In fact just ONE of the first 20 jobs displayed was actually an HR job.

On positionsvacant.com.au I searched for HR jobs in Victoria. It came up with only 10 jobs, 3 of which were not even related to HR, another 3 were recruitment consultant jobs to work for recruitment agencies. Due to duplicate listing there were actually only 3 different genuine HR jobs.

Why would people looking for a job put up with this when there other sites that will give them just what they are looking for ?

This is the question you need to ask yourself.

As for State Government sites, they typically only have State Government jobs on them, so they are only going to attract people who are specifically looking for Government jobs – at a time when Government Departments are desperately wanting to attract people from the private sector.

The bottom line when assessing a recruitment advertising product has to be “will this product reach any candidates that the mainstream sites such as Seek or MyCareer will not reach?”

Tell tale signs will be;

• where does the site rank in the natural Google search results (not the sponsored links) for the type of job you are recruiting for?
  
• How many relevant jobs the site has listed (check jobs aren’t listed multiple times to inflate the numbers), and what percentage of the jobs returned in search results are irrelevant?
  
• Do recruiters who specialise in that discipline advertise on the site? (you can be sure they won’t waste their time advertising for very long on sites that don’t work).

[zephram]

Dave,

If this is not the appropriate place for this please delete or tell me where to go...be nice :-)

What is the best way to get employers and recruiters to post their jobs on a new site?

I am not an hr pro, but would like to get advice from some. We are launching a high profile site for creative professionals (artists, photos, graphics, etc...). We already have thousands of members from over 50 countries prior to our launch and this will be the leading resource for creative pros in the next year. My partners are leaders with major Madison Ave and tech companies like Microsoft.

Our community wants to see jobs specific to their industry. We have created a Craigs list style job board.

1. It's free to members and job posters

2. We are launching in January.

3. Our members are world-class quality who work for major companies all the way to students.



TIA,

z

[Henry]

Originally Posted by zephram

What is the best way to get employers and recruiters to post their jobs on a new site?

Zephram,

As an operator of some successful niche job boards, I'm not about to share all our trade secrets but I can tell you that we spend tens of thousands of dollars a year on marketing (passive advertising) and many thousands more on direct marketing. It has also taken several years of hard work to become a serious player in our target sectors.

The days of "build it and they will come" are over. Job boards that don't have both a decent marketing budget AND and smart marketing plan are destined for the RIP list.

The good news is it sounds like you already have the access to candidates, who are much harder to identify and reach than advertisers. All you need now is get the advertisers on board, which is quite straightforward for any marketer who understands recruitment, but it will take planning, and resources (human and financial) to execute the marketing plan.

A January launch might be a bit premature

H

PS. Let us know what the site is called when you are ready to launch.

[HRsmart]

At the end of the day, I think you just have to take a punt on which job board is going to give you the best quality applicant that you are looking for. When you find one who delivers the type of applicants you want, then I'd stick with them for that particular job description. Not all job boards are created equal.