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    Default Remuneration advice needed

    I've been working at a Market Research and Consultancy company for the last two years, in the capacity of Office Manager. I have a Master degree in Human Resources and Business Management, but no prior formal HR experience. I've been doing some HR in my current role, but on a much smaller scale than would be required of an HR Manager. A new HR Manager role has been created in the company due to recent growth, which has been offered to me owing to my background and interest. I'm wondering what an acceptable annual salary package would be, taking into account my qualifications and experience. Any advice would be much appreciated!

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    Hi SJD,

    This sounds like a great opportunity for you.

    HR Manager salaries can vary dramatically and it's hard to be specific without a bit more detail, particularly the number of people in the company, number of reports (or is it a standalone role).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Job Media View Post
    Hi SJD,

    This sounds like a great opportunity for you.

    HR Manager salaries can vary dramatically and it's hard to be specific without a bit more detail, particularly the number of people in the company, number of reports (or is it a standalone role).
    Thanks, Job Media.

    The company has <250 employees and it is a standalone role to start with. I believe my duties will include all HR-related work for ANZ, apart from Payroll, which will be managed out of our office in India. I will most probably share some of these duties with our Business Operations Manager who has been looking after bits and pieces in the absence of an HR presence. Hope this helps! I'm really looking for some guidance here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJD View Post
    I've been working at a Market Research and Consultancy company for the last two years, in the capacity of Office Manager. I have a Master degree in Human Resources and Business Management, but no prior formal HR experience. I've been doing some HR in my current role, but on a much smaller scale than would be required of an HR Manager. A new HR Manager role has been created in the company due to recent growth, which has been offered to me owing to my background and interest. I'm wondering what an acceptable annual salary package would be, taking into account my qualifications and experience. Any advice would be much appreciated!
    In a medium sized company like that, probably a range of $75,000 to $110,000 but the high end would be to someone who has the experience. Sounds like you have the education but, in my opinion, that means nothing without the experience. Experience is even more critical in a stand alone role. It may have been more helpful to your career for you to work as a HR Advisor under an experienced HRM for a time before going it alone in a stand alone role. Also you need to look at just what you have been doing? has it been just transactional or strategic/partnering with business? If the latter, that may put you in a stronger position.
    Not having payroll is a plus, but be mindful that if the Payroll in India is paying people in Australia, then you will have to get pretty hands on ensuring India knows what they are doing. In the past couple of years, more of the big Payroll providers here are outsouring their jobs to India and elsewhere in Asia and because those working in these places know zilch about Australian Employment Law, more and more, the onus is on the employer here to do all the legwork. Hardly worth outsourcing in my view!
    250 is not a high number of employees and if you are a reasonably confident kind of person, you may be able to bluff your way to some extent. Also in your favor is fact the business knows you and offered the role to you, that is a show of faith and if HR is where you want to be, it could be a interesting step on the ladder. Also, I think it is important to not be put off by the title of HRM. A title is a title and often doesn't reflect the true nature of a role. If I were you, and you want to go the route of HR, I'd give it a shot. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
    Tiger

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    Okay, so 200-250 employees? That's quite significant in a standalone role, particularly as it sounds like you have more than one office in the region.

    Normally, I would say the PV should be in the region of $120k - $150k, but that would be for someone with say 7-10 years experience. That said, you do have a recent master's degree, which gives you a lot of theoretical knowledge that will compensate for some of the lack of experience, and if you have already been Office Manager you have probably already been thrown in at the deep end and proven you can swim

    From your perspective however, this is a really important opportunity, because with two years experience you would probably struggle to even get a interview for an HR Manager position in another company. Most companies or recruiters simply wouldn't consider someone with only two years experience. If they use an ATS with automated filtering, they might not even read your resume! So this opportunity seems to be worth more than just the money. If you are capable of rising to the challenge, then I think this will fast track your career, so maybe you should be pragmatic about the initial salary for this new role.

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    Obviously Tiger and I have very different views on what this role should pay. I am basing my figures on the job title, from what we see advertised one one of our job boards (Jobs in HR). It's common to see HR Advisor roles advertised at $75k or more, and that's reporting to an HR Manager in an SME or a HR Business Partner in a larger organisation, although that's for someone with 3-5 years experience, which is normal for an HR Advisor. It's quite some time since we have seen an HR Manager job advertised at less than $100k in Melbourne or Sydney.

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    Tiger and Job Media,

    Thank you for your informative posts. You've helped me understand where I am vs. where I could go with this HR role. I had pretty much the same ideas as Tiger re. the lack of experience and the standalone feature of the role being offered, when thinking about pay. And I agree that the experience will be more valuable in my climb up the career ladder.

    More practically, would you say a 10K increase in annual salary (falling within the 75K-110k bracket) would be an acceptable offer? And once an offer has been made to me, would it be inappropriate to counter with a higher amount, considering the circumstances?

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    SJD, it's not inappropriate to negotiate, if you think you have valid grounds to do so, but you need to be tactful. Maybe do some more homework on salary levels by talking to a recruitment company who specialises in HR. Or download a salary guide from one of them. They are quite generic and won't take into account your experience level, but it will give you something solid to refer to rather than a discussion on a forum. Of course we don't know much about how the organisation is structured, precisely what your responsibilities will be and what resources you will have at your disposal.

    Just a comment re experience, as Tiger says, it is valuable, but I wouldn't discount your qualifications. Also the currency and relevance of the experience to the company and industry is also important. I have seen very experienced HR managers do a poor job because they have switched industry, moved into a very different type of organisation and much of their previous experience is not relevant and/or outdated.

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    Thanks for the pearls of wisdom! Much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJD View Post
    Tiger and Job Media,

    Thank you for your informative posts. You've helped me understand where I am vs. where I could go with this HR role. I had pretty much the same ideas as Tiger re. the lack of experience and the standalone feature of the role being offered, when thinking about pay. And I agree that the experience will be more valuable in my climb up the career ladder.

    More practically, would you say a 10K increase in annual salary (falling within the 75K-110k bracket) would be an acceptable offer? And once an offer has been made to me, would it be inappropriate to counter with a higher amount, considering the circumstances?
    As I indicated in original post, my take on this situation is that whilst they may be offering a HRM role, it is actually NOT in fact a real HR Manager's role. To be honest, a title means little these days. I give advice to so called HRMs all the time and believe me, these are not really HRMs - but have been given the title because some smaller companies have no idea or because they can't afford the higher bucks and think the employee will be chuffed with the bigger title instead. Medium size, start up HR function does not attract the 'norm' (or market benchmark rates seen on various sites.

    I think it IS okay to negotiate - that doesn't mean you will get what you want but a conversation about the added responsibilities etc etc, the new job will bring and perhaps throwing some of that benchmarking data at them just might buy you a few more dollars - you have nothing to lose so I say do what you feel is right for you, keeping in mind your knowledge of the company, it's business and the people and what some of the challenges are likely to be for you in this new role. Good luck
    Tiger

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